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		<title>By: Dawud Israel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawud Israel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salaam aleikum, 

Not related but take a look:
http://www.omraneya.net/node/72637

You might wanna consider trying to film the idea at the end of the article and getting it to Islamonline or some media people in Egypt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salaam aleikum, </p>
<p>Not related but take a look:<br />
<a href="http://www.omraneya.net/node/72637" rel="nofollow">http://www.omraneya.net/node/72637</a></p>
<p>You might wanna consider trying to film the idea at the end of the article and getting it to Islamonline or some media people in Egypt.</p>
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		<title>By: shirien</title>
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		<dc:creator>shirien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 06:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;About the book, it seems like an interesting read and is not “anti-Islamic.” I read some reviews and it seems that the author returns to “true” Islam and does not denounce it. Maybe one should come to terms that there are both good and bad in every religion.&quot;

that could be true. I didnt research it or anything. It could very well be legit. wallahu alem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;About the book, it seems like an interesting read and is not “anti-Islamic.” I read some reviews and it seems that the author returns to “true” Islam and does not denounce it. Maybe one should come to terms that there are both good and bad in every religion.&#8221;</p>
<p>that could be true. I didnt research it or anything. It could very well be legit. wallahu alem.</p>
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		<title>By: Muslim Creed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Muslim Creed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is nothing wrong with the word &quot;islamist&quot;, it&#039;s not something abusive. However the enemies of Islam from among the Non-Muslims and the enemies of Sunnah among the Muslims use words like these out of context. E.g. there was a time they used to say &quot;Muslim Fundamentalists&quot;. It&#039;s a pitty that many ignorant Muslims fell for this trap too. You ARE supposed to be &quot;fundamentalist&quot;...as in stick to the fundamentals of Islam. Those who are misguided and commit acts of transgression against other humans clearly do not follow the &quot;fundamentals&quot; of Islam.
And now the same thing regarding Islamists (which obviously means someone who follows Islam). The so-called &quot;modern/progressive&quot; Muslims whenever they see a man having a beard or woman wearing Hijaab...they mock their fellow Islamists (i.e. who follow Islam) more than the Non-Muslim bigots. So what are supposed to do? Completely give up Islam because of what some Dr.Goldberg says?
Or what in the world is &quot;radical Islam&quot;? There is only ONE Islam. And whenever you want to follow the Sunnah some guy name Muhammad bin Muhammad or girl named Faatima will be the first to rise up against you and say you are following &quot;radical&quot; Islam.
The point is - bigots use good words, twist the meanings and ignorant Muslims fall prey to their games.

As for - who is to say they are not Muslim - we don&#039;t go around making Takfeer (i.e. claim someone is no longer Muslim) left and right. Even in the case of this disgusting act where in countries like Pakistan they kill the girl that gets raped - they are liers..they lie against Allah and His Messenger and as a result of their ignorance, Non-Muslims think this is Islamic Law. Such dhaalimeen and others are without a doubt Major Sinners and can be punished by Allah...in fact those who kill a girl for being raped, are murderers and we all know the punishment for murderers in Islam...
There are people in Iran (a very small minority) who say incest is halaal too and they go around dancing and chanting &quot;we&#039;re muslim&quot; - what sane person will think any religion (maybe those who claim the book of Exodus is from God might) allows such sick acts?
  
**this btw, also points to the disease destroying the Ummah now - there&#039;s always an opinion stating something forbidden by Allah &amp; His Messenger is actually lawful!**

People can make claims but there is a Creator and that Creator also sent a Messenger to explain everything. If someone out right denies (having full knowledge and from his own free will) what the Creator and that Messenger has to say, then yes he does kick himself out of Islam.
There is a difference between the Major Sinner and the one who is  out of Islam...some Major Sins like praying to the dead does take one out of Islam while other Major Sins like drinking alcohol/fornication still keeps a person under the tree of Islam...this is a long discussion and there are rules &amp; regulations...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is nothing wrong with the word &#8220;islamist&#8221;, it&#8217;s not something abusive. However the enemies of Islam from among the Non-Muslims and the enemies of Sunnah among the Muslims use words like these out of context. E.g. there was a time they used to say &#8220;Muslim Fundamentalists&#8221;. It&#8217;s a pitty that many ignorant Muslims fell for this trap too. You ARE supposed to be &#8220;fundamentalist&#8221;&#8230;as in stick to the fundamentals of Islam. Those who are misguided and commit acts of transgression against other humans clearly do not follow the &#8220;fundamentals&#8221; of Islam.<br />
And now the same thing regarding Islamists (which obviously means someone who follows Islam). The so-called &#8220;modern/progressive&#8221; Muslims whenever they see a man having a beard or woman wearing Hijaab&#8230;they mock their fellow Islamists (i.e. who follow Islam) more than the Non-Muslim bigots. So what are supposed to do? Completely give up Islam because of what some Dr.Goldberg says?<br />
Or what in the world is &#8220;radical Islam&#8221;? There is only ONE Islam. And whenever you want to follow the Sunnah some guy name Muhammad bin Muhammad or girl named Faatima will be the first to rise up against you and say you are following &#8220;radical&#8221; Islam.<br />
The point is &#8211; bigots use good words, twist the meanings and ignorant Muslims fall prey to their games.</p>
<p>As for &#8211; who is to say they are not Muslim &#8211; we don&#8217;t go around making Takfeer (i.e. claim someone is no longer Muslim) left and right. Even in the case of this disgusting act where in countries like Pakistan they kill the girl that gets raped &#8211; they are liers..they lie against Allah and His Messenger and as a result of their ignorance, Non-Muslims think this is Islamic Law. Such dhaalimeen and others are without a doubt Major Sinners and can be punished by Allah&#8230;in fact those who kill a girl for being raped, are murderers and we all know the punishment for murderers in Islam&#8230;<br />
There are people in Iran (a very small minority) who say incest is halaal too and they go around dancing and chanting &#8220;we&#8217;re muslim&#8221; &#8211; what sane person will think any religion (maybe those who claim the book of Exodus is from God might) allows such sick acts?</p>
<p>**this btw, also points to the disease destroying the Ummah now &#8211; there&#8217;s always an opinion stating something forbidden by Allah &amp; His Messenger is actually lawful!**</p>
<p>People can make claims but there is a Creator and that Creator also sent a Messenger to explain everything. If someone out right denies (having full knowledge and from his own free will) what the Creator and that Messenger has to say, then yes he does kick himself out of Islam.<br />
There is a difference between the Major Sinner and the one who is  out of Islam&#8230;some Major Sins like praying to the dead does take one out of Islam while other Major Sins like drinking alcohol/fornication still keeps a person under the tree of Islam&#8230;this is a long discussion and there are rules &amp; regulations&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: A Human</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Human</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 03:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there anything particularly wrong with the word Islamist? Wikipedia defines it in a way that is objective and I have heard it used in a positive light.  I don&#039;t really like labels either but sometimes they are used by the media and academics alike in order to define and study the complexities of society, politics, etc.  

Also, I have been wondering, if a people that claim to be Muslim does an act that is unIslamic (such as the killing of a girl that has been raped) yet they contend that their acts are in the spirit of Islam and truly believe that, who is to say they are not Muslim?  They maybe misguided, but if they believe themselves to be Muslim then how can one question their sincerity, since no one can be certain of that except God? 

About the book, it seems like an interesting read and is not &quot;anti-Islamic.&quot;  I read some reviews and it seems that the author returns to &quot;true&quot; Islam and does not denounce it.  Maybe one should come to terms that there are both good and bad in every religion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there anything particularly wrong with the word Islamist? Wikipedia defines it in a way that is objective and I have heard it used in a positive light.  I don&#8217;t really like labels either but sometimes they are used by the media and academics alike in order to define and study the complexities of society, politics, etc.  </p>
<p>Also, I have been wondering, if a people that claim to be Muslim does an act that is unIslamic (such as the killing of a girl that has been raped) yet they contend that their acts are in the spirit of Islam and truly believe that, who is to say they are not Muslim?  They maybe misguided, but if they believe themselves to be Muslim then how can one question their sincerity, since no one can be certain of that except God? </p>
<p>About the book, it seems like an interesting read and is not &#8220;anti-Islamic.&#8221;  I read some reviews and it seems that the author returns to &#8220;true&#8221; Islam and does not denounce it.  Maybe one should come to terms that there are both good and bad in every religion.</p>
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		<title>By: Alima</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alima</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shirien!! Your pic... 

lol, I was thinking... Shall I bu it. Hmm, I think i&#039;ll stick to my business books! Which are sooo interesting.

Jazaakillahu khayr for letting me know though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shirien!! Your pic&#8230; </p>
<p>lol, I was thinking&#8230; Shall I bu it. Hmm, I think i&#8217;ll stick to my business books! Which are sooo interesting.</p>
<p>Jazaakillahu khayr for letting me know though.</p>
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		<title>By: shirien</title>
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		<dc:creator>shirien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Alima Says:
November 27th, 2008 at 1:41 am e

Btw, I haven’t read ‘The Islamist.’

Is it a beneficial read?&quot;


haha I doubt it... it&#039;s probably an anti-islamic book. I just put that picture there to go with the article.. not promoting the book :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Alima Says:<br />
November 27th, 2008 at 1:41 am e</p>
<p>Btw, I haven’t read ‘The Islamist.’</p>
<p>Is it a beneficial read?&#8221;</p>
<p>haha I doubt it&#8230; it&#8217;s probably an anti-islamic book. I just put that picture there to go with the article.. not promoting the book <img src='http://egyptiangumbo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Alima</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alima</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Btw, I haven&#039;t read &#039;The Islamist.&#039;

Is it a beneficial read?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Btw, I haven&#8217;t read &#8216;The Islamist.&#8217;</p>
<p>Is it a beneficial read?</p>
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		<title>By: Alima</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alima</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assalaamu &#039;alaykum, 

Good article, masha&#039;Allaah. We studied this a while back, the funny thing is that it&#039;s obvious the tricks they are using, as they have been used in the past with IRA etc. 

We seem to go through the same vicious cycle and now the main focus is ISLAM. Sad, though it&#039;s nice to see muslims writing about this stuff. Keep it up. 

Jazaak Allaahu khayr for the reminder, as sometimes you forget about what the media is doing, in all the busyness.
This helps when giving daw&#039;aah to non-muslims also!

Wa Alaahu alem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assalaamu &#8216;alaykum, </p>
<p>Good article, masha&#8217;Allaah. We studied this a while back, the funny thing is that it&#8217;s obvious the tricks they are using, as they have been used in the past with IRA etc. </p>
<p>We seem to go through the same vicious cycle and now the main focus is ISLAM. Sad, though it&#8217;s nice to see muslims writing about this stuff. Keep it up. </p>
<p>Jazaak Allaahu khayr for the reminder, as sometimes you forget about what the media is doing, in all the busyness.<br />
This helps when giving daw&#8217;aah to non-muslims also!</p>
<p>Wa Alaahu alem.</p>
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		<title>By: Faisal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Faisal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 05:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salaam B,

Thanks for commenting. 

The article explains how in Islam there is no &#039;Religious extremism&#039;, as you said. Yet the media tries its best to make you believe extremism is a &#039;radical sect&#039; of Islam - it is no sect at all!

If I&#039;m correct, you claim its &#039;rhetoric&#039; because &#039;we&#039; got ourselves to the front line of the media in the first place with the actions of 9/11. However I&#039;m afraid I have to take &#039;we&#039; out of that sentence, as &#039;religious extremism&#039; has NO basis in Islam. Therefore it cannot be &#039;rhetoric&#039; as Muslims didn&#039;t get themselves to the front line of the media. The media put them there by attributing the extremist actions to Islam. (Thus saying they do have a basis in the religion when they don&#039;t.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salaam B,</p>
<p>Thanks for commenting. </p>
<p>The article explains how in Islam there is no &#8216;Religious extremism&#8217;, as you said. Yet the media tries its best to make you believe extremism is a &#8216;radical sect&#8217; of Islam &#8211; it is no sect at all!</p>
<p>If I&#8217;m correct, you claim its &#8216;rhetoric&#8217; because &#8216;we&#8217; got ourselves to the front line of the media in the first place with the actions of 9/11. However I&#8217;m afraid I have to take &#8216;we&#8217; out of that sentence, as &#8216;religious extremism&#8217; has NO basis in Islam. Therefore it cannot be &#8216;rhetoric&#8217; as Muslims didn&#8217;t get themselves to the front line of the media. The media put them there by attributing the extremist actions to Islam. (Thus saying they do have a basis in the religion when they don&#8217;t.)</p>
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		<title>By: Faisal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Faisal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 05:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assalamou alaikum wa rahmatullah,

Muslim Creed - Yes I don&#039;t know what word they might use next?? Probably Quranist if you teach quran lol.

Muslim Kid - Yes that is so true. It&#039;s quite scary actually, as sometimes Muslims call you extreme for practicing Islam properly! How messed up is that? But we have to combat these misconseptions by teaching Ilm properly hence shareislam.com lol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assalamou alaikum wa rahmatullah,</p>
<p>Muslim Creed &#8211; Yes I don&#8217;t know what word they might use next?? Probably Quranist if you teach quran lol.</p>
<p>Muslim Kid &#8211; Yes that is so true. It&#8217;s quite scary actually, as sometimes Muslims call you extreme for practicing Islam properly! How messed up is that? But we have to combat these misconseptions by teaching Ilm properly hence shareislam.com lol.</p>
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